A Question for Jehovah’s Witnesses

Read the following passages:

“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Revelation 1:8 (New International Version)

He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”
He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life.

Revelation 21:5-6 (New International Version)

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
Revelation 22:13 (New International Version)

These passages clearly state that God is the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last. Read on…

When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
Revelation 1:17-18 (New International Version)

As stated, God is the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and End, the First and the Last. Question: When did God die?
Answer: He didn’t.
Who do we know from the Bible who did die and then, three days later, came back to life? You already know the answer.
JESUS, the Son of God, God incarnate in bodily form, one part of the triune of God. JESUS, who holds death (the keys of death and hades) in His Hands! JESUS!!

“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.”
John 3:16-17 (New International Version)

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”
John 14:6 (New International Version)

Questions for Jehovah’s Witnesses at Contender Ministries.

12 Responses to “A Question for Jehovah’s Witnesses”

  1. MATT says:

    You contradicted yourself, like the trinity doctrine always does. You said Jesus died and that God cannot die, yet you said Jesus is God.
    ?

  2. Steve says:

    Matt, thanks for the comment. I disagree, but it is a hard concept to get the mind around. The folks at GotQuestions said it really good, so I’m going to quote them here. Sorry for the long response, but please read it all.

    1) There is one God: Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5.

    2) The Trinity consists of three Persons: Genesis 1:1; 1:26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8; 48:16; 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17; Matt 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14. In the passages in the Old Testament, a knowledge of Hebrew is helpful. In Genesis 1:1, the plural noun “Elohim” is used. In Genesis 1:26; 3:22; 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for “us” is used. That “Elohim” and “us” refer to more than two is WITHOUT question. In English, you only have two forms, singular and plural. In Hebrew, you have three forms: singular, dual, and plural. Dual is for two ONLY. In Hebrew, the dual form is used for things that come in pairs like eyes, ears, and hands. The word “Elohim” and the pronoun “us” are plural forms – definitely more than two – and must be referring to three or more (Father, Son, Holy Spirit).

    In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking. Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus’ baptism. Seen in this is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are examples of 3 distinct persons in the Trinity.

    3) The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages: In the Old Testament, “LORD” is distinguished from “Lord” (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The “LORD” has a “Son” (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). Spirit is distinguished from the “LORD” (Numbers 27:18) and from “God” (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, John 14:16-17 is where Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit. This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all of the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another person in the Trinity – the Father.

    4) Each member of the Trinity is God: The Father is God: John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2. The Son is God: John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20. The Holy Spirit is God: Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16 (The One who indwells is the Holy Spirit – Romans 8:9; John 14:16-17; Acts 2:1-4).

    5) The subordination within the Trinity: Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship, and does not deny the deity of any person of the Trinity. This is simply an area which our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see: Luke 22:42; John 5:36; John 20:21; 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see: John 14:16; 14:26; 15:26; 16:7 and especially John 16:13-14.

    6) The tasks of the individual members of the Trinity: The Father is the ultimate source or cause of: 1) the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; Revelation 4:11); 2) divine revelation (Revelation 1:1); 3) salvation (John 3:16-17); and 4) Jesus’ human works (John 5:17; 14:10). The Father INITIATES all of these things.

    The Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: 1) the creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17); 2) divine revelation (John 1:1; Matthew 11:27; John 16:12-15; Revelation 1:1); and 3) salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42). The Father does all these things through the Son, who functions as His agent.

    The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works: 1) creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); 2) divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21); 3) salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2); and 4) Jesus’ works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38). Thus the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit.

    None of the popular illustrations are completely accurate descriptions of the Trinity. The egg (or apple) fails in that the shell, white, and yolk are parts of the egg, not the egg in themselves. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not parts of God, each of them is God. The water illustration is somewhat better but still fails to adequately describe the Trinity. Liquid, vapor, and ice are forms of water. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not forms of God, each of them is God. So, while these illustrations may give us a picture of the Trinity, the picture is not entirely accurate. An infinite God cannot be fully described by a finite illustration. Instead of focusing on the Trinity, try to focus on the fact of God’s greatness and infinitely higher nature than our own. “Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?” (Romans 11:33-34)

  3. Beth says:

    Hey Matt,
    Every Jehovah’s Witness I have ever met uses the Bible only in part. Jehovah’s Witnesses deny the Trinity, the Deity of Christ, the Holy Spirit, the Resurrection, Immortality of the soul, the Atonement, Finished Work of Chrsit, and hell as a place of eternal punishment. I find this odd, because every JW that I have spoken with uses the Bible in trying to prove their “point”, but denies the above truths that are in the Bible. Either you believe the Bible in full or you dont believe it at all – you cant pick and choose what verses suit your own belief, but you have to take what God said as truth – no adding to it or taking away from it.

    Jehovah is not dead——-Revelation 1:8, Revelation 22:13, and Revelation 1:17 -18 all speak to Jehovah God being the Alpha and Omega, the begining and the end – Who was and is and is to come. God is the Father, Jesus is the son at His right hand, the Holy Spirit is alive inthe heart of every born again believer.

    Here are some verses that will refute your claims that the doctrine of the Trinity is false. Please look them all up and you will see that the Trinity is explained and very real.

    Father called God

    II Peter 1:17

    Son called God

    Revelation 1:8…….Rev 21:5-7…….Rev 22:13-16…..Rev 22:7,12,20
    Rev. 22:13…….Rev 1:12-8….Isaiah 44:6…..Exodus 3:11-14……..
    John 8:56-58….John 10:11,14,30……Col 2:9…….Phil 2:5-11…
    Isaiah 45:22-24

    Holy Spirit called God

    Act 5:3-4……Acts 13:2……….II Tim 3:16………..II Peter 1:20-21
    II Cor 6:16………I Cor 6:19…….I Cor 3:16……. II Cor 6:16

    There is only one God

    I Tim 2:5……………Gal 3:20………..Deut 6:4……….Isaiah 44:6

    Conclusion: Trinity = the three persons are the One God

    Trinity

    Luke 1:35…Matt 3:16, 17………..Matt 28:16…..II Cor 13:14

    There are 3 persons in the New Testament and the three persons are each called Jehovah God.

    Trinity at the Resurrection

    I Thess 1:9-10…Acts 17:30-31…….John 2:19-21……..Romans 8:11

    Bodily Resurrection of Jesus

    John 2:19-21…….Luke 24:36-39……..John 20:26-29……I Cor 15:17

    Salvation

    Ephesians 2:8-9
    John 6:28-29
    I John 5:11-13
    I John 2:23

    I pray that you will look these verses up and that your eyes will be opened to the Truth in them. The JW church teaches the theology of men (ie Charles Taze Rusell, Joseph Rutherford, Milton Henschel, etc). These men have taken the Bible and twisted it to form a false religion. If you will read the verses I have listed with an open mind, you will see the deception in what they have taught and the Truth of God’s Word.

  4. MATT says:

    If you feel that I am not taking the Bible in its totality then how do yo reconcile Rev 1:1 with the trinity doctrine?

    None of the verses you quoted said the Son is God.

    You can use these references which may vaguely support the doctrine if you want them to, however, concrete statements such as the one I gave you above are found throughout the Bible. I fyou have your own blog Beth why not start this topic up and let me know your url and I would be happy to discuss it with you.

    My main point (trying to stay one topic) was that the claim that Jesus’ resurrection cannot be proof of his being God due to the fact that he died. I did not find anything in the information posted so far that supports that point. If I am wrong please show me what I am missing.

  5. Steve says:

    Hi Matt,
    First off, Beth is the co-author of the Jesus is Lord, A Worshipping Christan’s Blog. So this is her URL too.
    You said “Jesus’ resurrection cannot be proof of his being God due to the fact that he died.”
    How is this so?
    Jesus died as the final perfect sinless sacrifice as the atonement for man’s sin. From the law, sacrifices were needed to temporarily atone for the sins of man. Jesus came to earth, from the throne of God, became a human by being born to the virgin Mary; He was born, lived sinless, and died as the ultimate sacrifice for our sins.
    I have to ask, if defeating death after three days dead is not enough proof of Godhood, what is?
    The verses I pointed out were very clear and point to Jesus being God, unless one is refusing to realize that the “person” who is first and last is God and that He also was Dead and now is alive forever and ever. There is only one “person” in the Bible who was dead but now is alive forever and ever. That person is Jesus!
    Now let me ask you a question:
    Does it bother you that you will never be able to get to heaven to be with God, but have to settle for the “second prize” of a renewed earth?

  6. MATT says:

    Steve, you are off topic also. You said:

    “As stated, God is the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and End, the First and the Last. Question: When did God die?
    Answer: He didn’t.
    Who do we know from the Bible who did die and then, three days later, came back to life? You already know the answer.
    JESUS, the Son of God, God incarnate in bodily form, one part of the triune of God. JESUS, who holds death (the keys of death and hades) in His Hands! JESUS!!”

    I pointed out the contradiction in this statement. It seemed from your post that this was the point you were trying to make.

    You said: (off topic)

    “Jesus died as the final perfect sinless sacrifice as the atonement for man’s sin. From the law, sacrifices were needed to temporarily atone for the sins of man. Jesus came to earth, from the throne of God, became a human by being born to the virgin Mary; He was born, lived sinless, and died as the ultimate sacrifice for our sins.
    I have to ask, if defeating death after three days dead is not enough proof of Godhood, what is?”

    As the final perfect sinless sacrifice as atonement for man’s sin, Jesus was sacrificed under the Mosaic law covenant. Allow me to quote what the law of God required as atonement for sin:

    Lev. 24:18-20 – 18And he that killeth a beast shall make it good; beast for beast.

    19And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbour; as he hath done, so shall it be done to him;

    20Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again.

    What was Jesus death an atonement for? You know, Adam’s sin.
    A perfect MAN died to atone for the sin of Adam which all men posess. anything else is out of balance. Jesus being God would have been overpayment. Not ‘eye for eye.’

    You went off topic again but I will humor you again. You said:

    “Does it bother you that you will never be able to get to heaven to be with God, but have to settle for the “second prize” of a renewed earth?”

    No. How is it second prize? What did God say was man’s purpose before Adam sinned? ‘fill the Earth and subdue it’ also the Bible says that God ‘gave the earth to the sons of man.’ ‘The meek shall inherit the earth and will reside forever upon it.’

    Jehovah gave me the earth. I like it here. What’s the problem?

    Incidentally, who was the first person who said sin would not lead to death? Read the conversation Eve had with the serpent.

    This however again is a totally different subject; can we please discuss the topic Steve brought up which is – Jesus died and was resurrected so he must be God. to which point I brought up that God cannot die so how is Jesus God if he died?

  7. Steve says:

    Matt,
    I’ve got a busy day ahead, and would like to do your comments justice, so hang with me until I have a chance to reply. Beth, feel free to jump in here any time you want to.
    For the record, we tend to allow some “wandering” on the comments. Never know what good comments can come out of it. So, no problem on some “wandering”.

  8. Beth says:

    Matt,
    Sorry you didnt understand that I also blog on this site – maybe I should have explained why I was adding my two cents here. I cant figure out if you are really searching for the truth or if you are simply trying to prove your “point”. I pray that you are truly seeking the truth of the Word of God so I am going to assume that you are.

    Ron Carlson is a great resource for learning about the falsehoods in the JW organization. He has Impact ministries and can be found by Googling “Ron Carlson Jehovahs Witness” – you will find his Impact Website where you can listen to all sorts of commentary on JWs.

    I found some notes from a seminar that may do a better job explaining what we are saying than I could. I will list those notes below. Also, I found three websites that are a must read for any Jehovahs Witness.

    Here they are:

    http://jehovahswitnessrevealed.com/2006/jehovahs-witness-exposed-video

    http://www.irr.org/English-JW/4-Dangers.html

    http://www.bible.ca/jw-questions.htm

    Here are the notes I mentioned:

    Jesus Christ. The Bible teaches that Jesus Christ is God come in the flesh, and is the Creator of all things (John 1:1-3,14; Col. 1:16). While never less than God, at the appointed time He laid aside the glory He shared with the Father and took on a human nature (John 17:3-5; Phil. 2:6-11; Col. 2:9). Following his death, Jesus Christ rose bodily from the grave, appeared to and was recognized in his body by over 500 people. This fact was crucial to both the preaching and faith of the early church (Luke 24:39; John 2:19-21; 1 Cor. 15:6, 14).

    The Nature of God. The Bible teaches that there is only one true God (ISA. 43:10-11; 44:6,8). Father, Son and Holy Spirit are identified as distinct Persons within the one Triune Godhead (Matt. 3:16-17; 2 Cor. 13:14). Throughout the New Testament the Son and the Holy Spirit, as well as the Father are separately identified as God. Each has divine attributes and acts as God (Son: Mark 2:5-12; John 20:28; Heb. 1:8; Holy Spirit: Acts 5:3-4; 2Cor. 3:17-18).

    Salvation. The Bible teaches that the atoning work of Christ alone provides the solution for man’s sin problem. Jesus Christ took the personal sins of all men – past, present and future – in his own body on the tree (1 Peter 2:24), and as perfect God and perfect man he fully met the demands of Divine justice for us (Romans 3:22-26). Therefore, any and all who receive him by simple faith (John 1:12; Acts 16:3), can be forgiven, declared righteous and restored to fellowship with God (2 Cor.5:21; Heb.7:24-26).

    The Bible teaches that we are saved by grace alone apart from any self-righteous works (Ephesians 2:8-9). There is nothing we can do to contribute to our salvation because apart from Jesus Christ we are “dead in our sins” (Eph. 2:1,5).

    Soul Eternal Punishment. The Bible teaches the human soul continues to exist consciously after death (Isa. 14:9-11; Luke 16:19-31; Rev.6:9-11). Those who have rejected God’s gift of eternal life will sufer conscious eternal punishment (Matt. 25:41,46; Rev.14:10,11; 20:10,15).

    Contradictions by Jehovahs Wintnesses

    The WT Society claims to be Jehovah’s organization and God’s only channel of spiritual instruction for today (21) It stresses that the Bible is an “organizational book” and cannot be understood by individuals no matter how sincere they are. But how can we trust our eternal destiny to an organization that during its brief time in existence has accumulated such a woeful history of doctrinal contradictions and flip-flops?
    Consider the following examples of ever-changing Watchtower theology.
    In 1975 the WTB&TS taught that the man who sows the seed in the parable of the mustard seed (Matthew 13) is Satan.
    Later that same year the WT Society taught that this sower was Jesus. (22)

    A similar incident occurred in 1978, when the WTB&TS identified the “Alpha and Omega” of Revelation 22:12-13 as Jehovah (that is, God the Father), and then five weeks later taught these verses referred to Jesus. (23)The Watchtower Society’s failure to correctly interpret the Bible is most clearly seen in their doctrinal flip-flops.
    First they teach position A, then they change to position B, claiming God has given them “new light.” Later on, however, they revery back to their old teaching (position A) and in some cases once again to position B.

    Here are some examples. Resurrection fo the Men of Sodom1879 –
    They will be resurrected.1952 –
    They will not be resurrected. 1965 –
    They will be resurrected. 1988 –
    They will not be resurrected. (24)

    The ‘Lord’ in Romans 10:12-16 1903 –
    ‘Lord’ refers to Jesus.1940 –
    ‘Lord’ refers to Jehovah.1978 –
    ‘Lord’ refers to Jesus.1980 –
    ‘Lord’ refers to Jehovah. (25)

    ‘Higher Powers’ of Romans 13:1
    1916 – ‘Higher powers’ refers to governments.
    1943 – ‘Higher powers’ refers to Jehovah God Jesus Christ.
    1964 – ‘Higher powers’ refers to overnments. (26)
    Conclusion: In light of the preceding facts, do we dare trust the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society? It has falsely prophesied the end of the world at least 6 times and used these predictions to intimidate its followers. This group has repeatedly changed their doctrines and contradicted previously held beliefs, all while claiming that it alone has the truth. Is this consistent with God’s perfection and holiness?

    Matt, I am praying that you will see the truth of what we are saying here. We cannot put our faith in man or what men deem to be true. The Bible is our plumline for life. We use it as a guide to know the Fathers heart. We receive the Holy Spirit when we accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior – how do I know this? Because the Bible tells me AND because I have experienced it myself. I realize that the teachings of the JWs are strong and persuasvice, but Matt, they are not altogether true. I am praying that you will take this seriously and look deep into yourself and into what the Bible says. You have to admit that many of the teachings of the JW are contrary to the Written Word of God. The question then, is who do you trust, man or the God who made the world? I hope you dont think I am being disrespectful — that is not my intention – my intention is to point you to Jesus and show you that He is real, He is alive, and He loves you.

    Beth

  9. MATT says:

    All I asked was that I be informed of how the contradiction I saw could be explained. It has not been. I am always searching for the truth, but I don’t see it here when a simple question cannot be answered. I would have discussed whatever topics you wished had you explained this one to me, but still the answer to my question is avoided. Jehovah’s WItnesses have never done that to me, so I have to assume that they are telling me the truth. I am not trrying to be disrespectful either as I assume you are sincere in your beliefs. But I feel that this conversation is not going to yeild any good fruit. I will check back one more time to see what Steve has to say.

  10. Steve says:

    “I have to assume that they (JW) are telling me the truth”
    Wow, after all the evidence, sited from the JW themselves, that we presented to you, that shows just how many times they (the JW) have lied, been wrong, changed their doctrine, etc…, how you can make the statements you did in the above comment is beyond me.
    And yet you doubt us when we tell you that the Creator of the Universe wouldn’t have any problems at all making himself human, coming to earth, dying, and rising again, while all the while staying in Heaven.
    We are talking about the Creator of the Universe. The being who knows how the atoms are held together. Who understands all matter because before He made it, there wasn’t any.
    Just because you can’t get your mind around something, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
    The bottom line is this:
    JW refuses to acknowledge “trinity” because to do so would require them to acknowledge that Jesus is the way to salvation rather than JW being the way to salvation. Beth and I can (and have) quote you scripture after scripture showing that Jesus is God, Jesus is the only way to God, Jesus is the point of all Salvation and Jesus and God are one.
    You say we didn’t answer your “simple question”, yet aside from a few side questions and comments, we wrote pages of information to you proving the point. You choose not to see the forest for the trees.
    Let me try one more time.
    God cannot die. God also will not tolerate sin in His presence. God came to earth as Jesus, to live sinlessly and therefore provide Himself as the ultimate sacrifice to erase all sin from mankind, asking only that you believe in Him and accept His free gift of salvation. As He was living sinless on earth, God was also on the throne in heaven. Jesus is the ONLY way to get to God. Handing out Watch Tower literature is NOT the way to get to God. This statement is Biblically sound.
    I’m sorry your mind can’t get around the fact that the Creator of the Universe can do things you can’t and can actually be in two places at once. Once again, just because you can’t figure out how He did it does not make it any less true.
    Beth, he’s been bought and paid for by the JW cult and I don’t anticipate that anything we present to him here will make a difference. He’s ignored reams of information that could have helped him understand.
    Time to move on, and hope that the Holy Spirit (sorry Matt, He’s God too) will move in his heart and make him really seek with an open mind.

  11. MATT says:

    Why do you refuse to be direct in our discussion? The evasion of my question proves your inability to reason on the scriptures. I offered you an invitation to dialogue starting with the topic you originally started. Instead of starting there and working forward you jumped right in attacking my faith. How does that encourage me to listen? You need to come to some meetings of JW’s and learn the art of preaching and teaching. I am sorry we went nowhere.

  12. Steve says:

    Wow Beth, this guy is quite something. I don’t know what post he’s reading, but it doesn’t appear to be this one. I’ve answered his question what, three times or more and he still says I didn’t. Don’t know what else to say. Forest/Tree syndrome.
    Matt, it’s almost amusing that you believe I would be the least bit interested in what is “taught” in a JW meeting. I assure you, I would not be welcome after the first five minutes.
    God bless (from all three of them) and I hope they (all three of them) open your eyes to what you are a part of.