Obama Conceives the Inconceivable on Conception

A significant majority of people believes that life begins at conception. There is no “gray area”, as the abortionist would have us believe, when a human is not a human.
Republican president hopeful, John McCain, doesn’t have any problems verbalizing this concept. Not so for the Democratic president hopeful, Barack Obama.

Asked by Rick Warren when he believes “a baby gets human rights,” John McCain didn’t hesitate to say “at the moment of conception.” For Barack Obama, however, this question remains a struggle. “Well, ah, ah, I think that whether you’re looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective,” Obama pondered to Warren, “answering that question with specificity is above my pay grade.”

Barack Obama doesn’t like this question. And those nit-picky Christians keep springing it upon him during these religious forums.

Obama was asked about conception at the “Compassion Forum” at Messiah College in April, where he likewise dissembled: “This is something that I have not, I think, come to a firm resolution on. I think it’s very hard to know what that means, when life begins. Is it when a cell separates? Is it when the soul stirs? So, I don’t presume to know the answer to that question. What I know, as I’ve said before, is that there is something extraordinarily powerful about potential life and that has a moral weight to it that we take into consideration when we’re having these debates.”

Well, apparently not extraordinarily powerful enough for Obama to seek an answer for these debates.

Obama’s responses beg another question: If he’s unclear about this fundamental matter, which any embryologist could easily clarify for him, why hasn’t he consulted someone? He is also no expert on say, submarine-launched ballistic missiles, or the newest bill before Congress on tax policy. Senators, like all of us, don’t begin from a starting point of expertise on all these issues. They learn; or, their staff learns and advises them.

So, to repeat the question, why, since he first publicly pondered the conception question at Messiah in April, hasn’t Obama sought answers? What could be a more important life question?

This prompts an even bigger question: Why in the world is Obama urging embryonic stem-cell research? Why does he promise that if he becomes president, he will reverse President Bush’s prohibitions on embryonic research? How can he rush into such actions if he doesn’t even know whether an embryo is human life? That’s recklessly irresponsible.

I could understand Obama advocating such research if he was convinced that embryos aren’t life, and that life doesn’t begin at conception. I would disagree, but I could understand.

For those not familiar with embryonic stem-cell research, it works like this: Human embryos are created for the explicit purpose of being dissected and destroyed for medical research. Every human being who has ever lived began as an embryo. In this brave new world, however, there are people who favor raising and exterminating embryos before they become human life.

Since Obama isn’t sure whether life begins at conception, he should err on the side of caution—on the side of life. A demolition crew makes sure there’s no one left in the abandoned building before destroying it. The crew chief wouldn’t dare say, “I’m not sure if there are human beings in there, but go ahead and blow it up.” Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Ted Kennedy would drag that chief in chains before a Congressional committee.

As is often the case with modern liberalism, Obama’s stance generates a potpourri of added contradictions. Consider one of the main reasons cited by liberals for opposing capital punishment: they argue that there’s always a chance that a condemned individual may be innocent. If we can’t know with absolute certainty that an alleged murderer has committed murder, then we should err on the side of caution—on the side of life. He should be spared execution.

Conversely, then, if Obama isn’t sure about the humanity of the embryo, why go ahead and execute it? What could be more innocent than an embryo?

Liberals think they’re clever when they ask how conservatives can be pro-life on abortion while supporting capital punishment. Quite the contrary, there’s a much more troubling contradiction among liberals who are pro-choice on abortion while opposing capital punishment. Obama’s position of “don’t-know-but-kill-anyway” on embryos is worse than either.

The truth, of course, is that Barack Obama knows life begins at conception. He isn’t stupid. As Bill Clinton has conceded, “everyone knows life begins biologically at conception.”

Yes, but not everyone can be honest about it. Barack Obama can’t give a truthful answer because doing so would undermine the moral credibility of his position—from embryonic research to unrestricted abortion.

Like John Kerry, like Al Gore, and like the entire leadership of the modern Democratic Party, Barack Obama has sold his soul to the pro-choice lobby. That’s quite sad, because it means a lot of would-be humans will not be permitted to become humans. That is not American leadership—and it is certainly not “hope.”

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45 Responses to “Obama Conceives the Inconceivable on Conception”

  1. Greg P. says:

    Uhhhhh, I mean, ummmmm, well, uhhh. Theologically speaking…

    Spoken like a true politician Obama.

  2. Starbix says:

    “A significant majority of people believes that life begins at conception.”

    Oh, well if a lot of people think it’s true then it must be.

    Starbix
    “Don’t Panic.” -Douglas Adams

  3. Steve says:

    Starbix,
    They reason they believe it is because of the overwhelming evidence in favor of that position.

  4. Starbix says:

    And what evidence would that be? I’d like the sources and the studies done on the subject.

    Starbix
    “Don’t Panic.” -Douglas Adams

  5. Bethanne says:

    I think all one needs to do is put things on a personal level.

    Let’s say your wife is pregnant and someone maliciously pushes her flight of stairs causing her to lose the baby. Is that not murder no matter how far along she is? If that person had not pushed her, you would become a father in a few months, but since he did, there is now no chance of that baby ever being born

    If life does not begin at conception, then I wonder at what point does that life begin? When the baby is born? Does that baby not move and eat, suck its thumb, etc while in the womb?

    No one will EVER be able to convince me that life does not begin at conception. You can sugar coat it, justify it in your mind, and try to make it sound like just another medical procedure, but abortion is legalized murder plain and simple. I will never understand how people who have children of their own and have seen the miracle of life first hand can defend such an evil and violent practice as sucking an innocent baby out of the safety of its mother’s womb. Makes me sick to my stomach that this goes on in America hundreds of times each day. Sick.

  6. Starbix says:

    My wife is pregnant right now and she agrees with me on the abortion issue. That’s saying something, too. She rarely agrees with me on anything. We both consider that life begins when the average baby can survive outside the womb on it’s own. Now, she would not choose to have an abortion and I would not suggest it unless she were in serious danger. Abortion is not something to be taken lightly. I think it is very irresponsible of someone to get an abortion because a baby would be an inconvenience to their lifestyle. I would much rather they put that child up for adoption. Maybe it would be adopted by a nice gay couple. 😛 However, I would not presume to push my opinions onto someone on an issue that is so personal. That’s why I am pro-choice, not pro-abortion. Would you say that someone who supports the military is pro-war? As I said: I am not pro-abortion. I would not advocate it unless it was in the most extreme circumstances such as threat to mother, pregnant by rape or incest to name a few. Also, who am I to take away a woman’s rights pertaining to her uterus when I don’t even have one!

    I have witnessed both of my sons being born and I have every intention of being there for the third baby. It was a life-changing experience for the both of us, but it didn’t change our position one bit.

    “No one will EVER be able to convince me that life does not begin at conception.”

    Then you betray the fact that your position on this is irrational. Refusing to even consider changing one’s mind in the face of incontrovertible evidence is the height of irrationality.

    Now, I believe I am still waiting for Steve to present his “overwhelming evidence” that life begins at conception. While you have made a valiant effort to defend your position, it remains merely an appeal to emotion.

    Starbix
    “Don’t Panic.” -Douglas Adams

  7. Bethanne says:

    Starbix,
    You said, “She rarely agrees with me on anything” — looks like and your wife and I have something in common. 😉 You didnt answer my question. If someone maliciously harms your wife and causes her to lose the baby, has that person murdered your child?

    “An embryo is an individual “thing” that is genetically different than the mother. It is not “part” of the mother, but only lives inside of the mother.

    In an embryo or fetus you can find the characteristics of living things.

    one or more cells….
    patterns of organization….
    use of energy….
    stable internal conditions….
    grow and change….
    reproduction….

    Genetically an embryo is human.

    These are biological and scientific facts.

    Now….if you wish to work backwards we can do that.

    Take a 90 year old man….clearly human life.

    Turn the clock back 90 years to when he was only born 1 second earlier….clearly human life.

    Now here is where it may start to get tricky for some people…..

    Go back to 1 day before that baby is born….clearly human life. Same baby, only 1 day older.

    Go back 2 or even 3 months. A fetus at this stage can (and they have) survive if born this early. A pre-mature baby is still human life.

    Now go back to 1 hour after the sperm fertilized the egg.

    That 90 year old man and that 1 hour old embryo are the same “thing”.

    The only thing that happened to that embryo is that it grew and changed just like every other living things does.

    IF you look at the life cycle of frogs it starts with fertilized eggs, then the eggs hatch into tadpoles, then the tadpoles start to grow legs, then eventually the tadpoles turn into frogs and start the cycle over again.

    That fertilized egg is where the life of a frog starts, just as it is where human life starts.

    That tadpole looks nothing like an adult frog. It will not survive outside of the water.

    Yet…..it is life that will turn into a frog”.

    And as for you comment about refusing to change my mind….there is nothing irrational about believing the truth. It is a black and white, clear cut thing with me that abortion is murder and life begins at conception. I do not see any grey area, so what is irrational about that?

  8. Starbix says:

    “If someone maliciously harms your wife and causes her to lose the baby, has that person murdered your child?”

    As I already stated, it depends on how far along the pregnancy is. I’d just be happy that my wife is still alive.

    “An embryo is an individual “thing” that is genetically different than the mother. It is not “part” of the mother, but only lives inside of the mother.

    In an embryo or fetus you can find the characteristics of living things.

    one or more cells….
    patterns of organization….
    use of energy….
    stable internal conditions….
    grow and change….
    reproduction….”

    All of these characteristics can also be found in a parasite. What’s your point?

    “Take a 90 year old man….clearly human life.”

    Ok, I’m with you.

    “Turn the clock back 90 years to when he was only born 1 second earlier….clearly human life.”

    Still with you.

    “Now here is where it may start to get tricky for some people…..

    Go back to 1 day before that baby is born….clearly human life. Same baby, only 1 day older.”

    Not so tricky, we still agree.

    “Go back 2 or even 3 months. A fetus at this stage can (and they have) survive if born this early. A pre-mature baby is still human life.”

    And we still agree, it must be a record!

    “Now go back to 1 hour after the sperm fertilized the egg.

    That 90 year old man and that 1 hour old embryo are the same “thing”.”

    And here’s where you lose me. It’s a big jump to go from a blastocyst to a child that can live outside the womb.

    “what is irrational about that?”

    The fact that you are unwilling to change your mind no matter what evidence is presented to you is kind of the definition of irrationality.

    Starbix
    “Don’t Panic.” -Douglas Adams

  9. Starbix says:

    “Obama Conceives the Inconceivable on Conception”

    Some one had to say it:

    “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”

  10. Starbix says:

    Gah!

    “Some one” should have been “Someone”.

    Off to commit hara-kiri over the shame that is my grammar.

  11. Starbix says:

    Hey Steve, still waiting on that “overwhelming evidence”.

  12. Steve says:

    Starbix,
    Let me turn this back on you for a sec…
    So when is this “Magic” moment that something becomes “human”?
    Sounds like you’ve been reading “Dune” again.

  13. Steve says:

    “Individual life begins with conception by the union of the couple’s sex cells or gametes. The 23 chromosomes of the paternal sperm (male pronucleus) fuses with the 23 chromosomes of the maternal oocyte (egg or female pronucleus) at fertilization to create a single cell embryo or zygote containing 46 chromosomes. The fertilization process takes about 24 hours.
    The new human zygote has the inherent capacity or potential to become a fully rational and cognizant person!
    Each one represents a unique, irreplaceable, never-to-be-reduplicated human being!”

    In other words, it is genetically a human being. It cannot be anything else. It will not be born an ape, a lemur or even a whale. It is and always will be genetically a human.

  14. Starbix says:

    “when is this “Magic” moment that something becomes “human”?”

    As I’ve already stated, when the average fetus can survive outside of the womb. Haven’t I made that abundantly clear?

    “Sounds like you’ve been reading “Dune” again.”

    Nope, never even seen the movie. It never really caught my interest.

    So your “overwhelming evidence” is something you found on the site of a pro-lifer with no discernible biological experience or education. The only part that mentions when life begins is the opening sentence, which is merely an empty assertion with no hard evidence to back it up. They don’t say why this is when they believe life begins or how the biological process described after is evidence for their claim. As I’ve already said: I’d like the sources and the studies done on the subject. Show me science, not dogma.

    Starbix
    “Don’t Panic.” -Douglas Adams

  15. Steve says:

    As we have stated numerous times in the past, we will never see eye to eye on these issues. Your thoughts are as alien to me as mine are to you.

  16. Steve says:

    Starbix,
    Heartbeat is detectable by ultrasound after only 6 weeks. Being very familiar with the technology (I used to service them to board level), I believe that the heartbeat would have started at least a week before it was detectable by ultrasound. Is a heartbeat not enough to prove that life exist?
    Some days you are so frustrating to me!!

  17. Starbix says:

    “Is a heartbeat not enough to prove that life exist?”

    Then is an artificial heart on it’s own considered life? It beats and performs the same functions as a real heart. Maybe you shouldn’t claim to have “overwhelming evidence” if you can’t provide that evidence.

    “Some days you are so frustrating to me!!”

    Only some days? I must not be trying hard enough!

    Starbix
    “Don’t Panic.” -Douglas Adams

  18. Steve says:

    Oh come on, Starbix, a baby is not conceived with an artificial heart!!

  19. Starbix says:

    No, but your assertion was that a heartbeat proved life. I merely provided an example where a heartbeat does not necessarily mean life exists. Therefore a heartbeat can’t be used as incontrovertible evidence for life.

  20. Starbix says:

    Why isn’t my reply posting?

  21. Starbix says:

    Let’s try this again…

    No, but your assertion was that a heartbeat proved life. I merely provided an example where a heartbeat does not necessarily mean life exists. Therefore a heartbeat can’t be used as incontrovertible evidence for life.

  22. Steve says:

    Because you’re spam, Bro!!
    Let me go fetch your comments out of the spam filter.

  23. Steve says:

    “Therefore a heartbeat can’t be used as incontrovertible evidence for life.”
    Well that’s a relief. I’ve always wondered when I was going to die and now I find out that I’ve been dead from birth. That’s one less thing I have to worry about now. (sarcasm off).
    Starbix, let me try this again.
    I am a first responder at work. We are trained in first aid and CPR. While going through training, one of group raised the question about the damage done to the body through CPR (broken ribs, damaged sternum, etc.). Our instructor made this comment (paraphrased):
    “He’s already dead, what does it matter if you break some bones while attempting to restore circulation? Bones can be fixed.”
    A heartbeat is a sign of life no matter how you spin it. Rather in the womb or out, I can safely say that the medical community will side with me on this one.

  24. Starbix says:

    “A heartbeat is a sign of life”

    Agreed, but it is not proof of life on it’s own as a heartbeat can exist in something that is not considered life. Either way, this still does nothing for your position that life begins at conception.

    Starbix
    “Don’t Panic.” -Douglas Adams

  25. Starbix says:

    “Because you’re spam, Bro!!”

    It’s cool. That means I’m loved by all Hawaiians. Ain’t nuthin’ wrong with that!

  26. Steve says:

    Let me see if I can figure out a way to ask this next question in way that you won’t be able to play “slinky weasel” with my words…
    Name one organic organism that has a heartbeat and that is either born or hatched that is not alive while it’s heart is beating.
    By the way, I know that you are an extremely intelligent person, so please don’t pretend to not understand the question I’m asking above. Don’t play twister with my words; just answer honestly and truthfully. OK?

  27. Steve says:

    As for the spam thing, I’ve never marked you as such, but someone else has…maybe if you carried your toothbrush with your towel instead of borrowing one all the time…

  28. Starbix says:

    Hey! How and when I play “Slinky Weasel” is entirely up to me and my wife and I’d appreciate you not meddling in our privacy!

    Anyhoo.

    “Name one organic organism that has a heartbeat and that is either born or hatched that is not alive while it’s heart is beating.”

    Ah, trying to trap me, are you? If something is born with a heartbeat it is technically alive. However, what if it is born brain-dead? What if it is born without a brain? Is it still alive? Should it have been aborted? Does it have a soul? What would be your god’s purpose for afflicting such a being so? Ok, getting off-topic now. Answer me this question honestly and truthfully: How does the presence of a heartbeat, which begins at around five weeks after, prove that life begins at conception?

    Starbix
    “Don’t Panic.” -Douglas Adams

  29. Starbix says:

    “I’ve never marked you as such, but someone else has”

    Who was it? Was it Beth? It was Beth, wasn’t it? C’mon baby, why you gots to treat me so bad?

  30. Steve says:

    “‘I’ve never marked you as such, but someone else has’

    Who was it? Was it Beth? It was Beth, wasn’t it? C’mon baby, why you gots to treat me so bad?”

    We use Akismet spam control software, so anyone who also uses it can report you as well. Then it blocks you everywhere.
    Be careful who you make angry.

  31. Bethanne says:

    Did someone mention my name???? No, Starbix, as much as I would love to some days, I did not mark you as spam……..although, I did enjoy the remark that Hawaiians love you…….you are quite funny sometimes for an atheist 😉

  32. Starbix says:

    I’m still waiting…

    How does the presence of a heartbeat, which begins at around five weeks after, prove that life begins at conception?

  33. Steve says:

    Is a cell living or dead?

  34. Starbix says:

    A cell can be either one.

  35. Steve says:

    In order to reproduce, does a cell have to be alive or dead?

  36. HackThis says:

    ‘Starbix,
    They reason they believe it is because of the overwhelming evidence in favor of that position.’

    Steve, evidence is meant to mean nothing to you. You’re a christian.

    I think life begins at the first creative or concious thought, probably when you’re about 2 years old. Anything before that, you’re just doing what a clever, trained dog does.
    Notice how we can’t remember anything before the time when we were about two.

  37. Steve says:

    HackThis,
    Then by definition, your child can be “aborted” any time before two years of age.
    Don’t take this the wrong way, but it sounds really dangerous to be one of your offspring.

  38. Steve says:

    Starbix,
    “Alive”…correct.
    So, the two DNA sources are joined in the form of the sperm and the egg. The “living” cell begins to divide, and if allowed to mature, this single celled organism will form into a complete human being.
    You keep telling me that I don’t have a clue when life actually begins, yet I can show you how the chain of living matter continues from conception to birth.
    The truth is, you have no clue either.
    We err on the side of caution in almost all other facets of life. Why not in this instance?

  39. HackThis says:

    ‘HackThis,
    Then by definition, your child can be “aborted” any time before two years of age.’

    Yes.

    ‘Don’t take this the wrong way, but it sounds really dangerous to be one of your offspring.’

    I agree

  40. Beth says:

    Ummm, HackThis, are you serious that you believe that a child is not really a human until they have their first creative thought? That has to be THE most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in my 35 years of life!!!

    With that crazy theory, I certainly hope you never have any children.

  41. Starbix says:

    “The truth is, you have no clue either.”

    So are you admitting that you have no clue?

    “We err on the side of caution in almost all other facets of life. Why not in this instance?”

    Because since we don’t know that the clump of cells is a person then we should listen to the one we know is a person.

    I’m just curious: Do you consider the sperm or the egg to be alive? Why or why not?

    Starbix
    “Don’t Panic.” -Douglas Adams

  42. stux says:

    In my country doctors do fetal morphology and other studies during pregnancy in order to establish whether the fetus is normally developing or it has fatal anomalies. If the fetus has abnormalities, sometimes leading to death after birth, or poor quality life, doctors recommend abortion. Parents feel great hurt if such thing happens, but it’s the reasonable thing to do. The pictures you’ve put up are maybe of such fetuses. It’s illegal to do abortion on fetuses after their 12th week, if there are no medical motives, and it’s strange for you to defend the rights of a cell developing very fast – that’s what your “baby” really is in these early weeks (and it looks nothing like a baby either!). And that’s why it’s politically incorrect to use these pictures to prove your point against abortion by someone’s wish. And after all, s it better for a woman to have the baby and then leave it? Or to hate it all her life? Is that what your christian mind is saying? You’re not thinking straight and obviously you know nothing about bringing up a child. Children need love and affection, they don’t deserve the faith of being an unwanted child.

  43. stux says:

    “Notice how we can’t remember anything before the time when we were about two.”
    You’re not right! I remember my grandma moaning when dying from cancer and she died in my first year! I also remember my first sleeping toy – a very tiny ball of yarn, my mother told me I didn’t want to sleep without holding it in my little baby arm – and I still remember it very vividly – a very tiny red ball of yarn. I was still a baby then. Also, there are studies showing that fetuses hear, see and develop personality after their 23-24th week. The experiences of their mother transfer to the fetus, because the hormones of fear, pleasure and so on influence the developing reactions to the same irritants of the fetus later in life. There is a legal time limit for abortion and it’s 12 weeks – because the “baby” is still just a cell dividing really fast). The first years of a child are very important for its development because the brain continues to grow very fast after birth. There are studies that show you can even teach your kid to distinguish words you showed on a cardboard later in life. The first two years are really important for your child’s first development and these experiences are for life. Don’t underestimate those early years, they are maybe the most important you’ll ever have and they’ll make you the person you’re meant to be.

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