Black Listed by the Jehovah’s Witnesses

A couple of Jehovah’s Witnesses stopped by the house several nights ago, and it would not surprise me one bit if I haven’t been blacklisted from ever visiting their local establishment; not that I ever intended to visit it anyway.
As usual, I had them wanting to leave after about 8 minutes of discussion. I had to follow them down to the end of the driveway to finish my last point.
One gentleman kept saying “Jehovah God”. I definitely got off on the wrong foot by asking why he kept saying “God God”. He looked at me quizzically, so I had to explain to him that “Jehovah” is the English transliteration of the original Hebrew יהוה (without vowel points), which is the unvocalized name of God in Hebrew. Translated into English as YHWH (Yod, Hey, Wav, Hey, without vowel points) it would be approximated as “Yahweh”. Since in ancient Latin there was no distinct lettering to distinguish ‘Y’ from ‘J’, or ‘W’ from ‘V’, and the original Hebrew does not clearly indicate the omitted vowels, the approximated translation comes out as “Jehovah”. They didn’t seem happy when I made the off hand comment that it would be more accurate to call themselves “Yahweh’s Witnesses” or follow Jewish conventions and substitute the word “Adonai (אֲדֹנָי)” or “Elohim (אֱלוֹהִים)”, thus making them “Adonai’s Witnesses” or “Elohim’s Witnesses”. They were in “polite back-away” mode by this point.

Next I gave them the “When did God die?” argument. It goes something like this:
“‘I am the Alpha and the Omega,’ says the Lord God, ‘who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.'” Revelation 1:8 (New International Version)

“He who was seated on the throne said, ‘I am making everything new!’ Then he said, ‘Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.’
He said to me: ‘It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life.'” Revelation 21:5-6 (New International Version)

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
Revelation 22:13 (New International Version)

I got them to agree with me that these three passages are talking about God.

Then I hit them with this:
“When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: ‘Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.;” Revelation 1:17-18 (New International Version)

Remember, we all agreed that God is the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and End, the First and the Last.

So then I asked, “when did God die?” and pointed out the middle part of Revelation 1:17-18. They were silent for a moment and then went on to say that Revelations is full of symbolism and can be confusing. They said they needed to study the passages more. By this time we’ve made it to the top of the driveway.

The last point I made was to ask them how it felt to be “second best” in God’s eyes. That stopped them for a moment. “What did I mean?”, they asked.
I pointed out to them how their doctrine establishes that only 144,000 of the “best” Jehovah’s Witnesses were going to go to Heaven. The rest, which I called “mundane”, were going to have to be satisfied with a “renewed” earth. I told them that after this many years, surely the 144,000 positions had been filled, and that no matter how hard they worked, they would never be able to achieve it. They answered that my assumption wasn’t necessarily true. I went on to say “So you are telling me that a Just God is going to reward one of the 144,000 positions to someone and then later say ‘Sorry Joe, but Sam handed out more pamphlets then you did, so you’re out and he’s in”? How is that just?” They didn’t have an answer. They told me they needed to get on down the street and bade me “thank you and good-bye”.
Overall a most rewarding experience.

See A Question for Jehovah’s Witnesses.
See Questions for Jehovah’s Witnesses.

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