Two points to this story:
1. Good Job, Ms. Banderas!!
2. To call Shirley Phelps-Roper a Christian is a long, long stretch.
OK, here’s the deal.
For those of you who have read this blog over the last year, you know my position on homosexuality. The position is that homosexuality is a sin, according to the Bible, and Christians should not support it any more then they would support and encourage any other sin. I also do not approve of the way the homosexual lifestyle is being normalized and passed off as being “good”. There is a bad side to this lifestyle choice which the homosexual advocates do not want anyone to know.
Now with that said. I rebuke Ms. Phelps-Roper for the way in which she and her brood are protesting. The sins she is committing are as objectionable to God as the sin of homosexuality. You see, God sees all sins equally, all of which have separated us from God. It is only through the grace Jesus bought for us on the cross that restores us to God’s good graces.
A discussion about protests by an anti-homosexual church at the funerals of fallen American soldiers turned into an astounding shoutfest on national television this weekend, with Fox News host Julie Banderas calling a fire-and-brimstone Christian preacher “the devil” and apparently condemning her to hell.
“You are the devil!” Banderas exclaimed to Shirley Phelps-Roper. “If you believe in the Bible, miss, you’re going to hell!”
Phelps-Roper, who believes America’s sinful behavior has resulted in God’s cursings rather than blessings, was appearing on “The Big Story” last night to talk about why members of her Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan., protest at funerals for slain U.S. troops with slogans such as “Thank God for 9-11,” “Thank God for IEDs (improvised explosive devices),” and “God Hates Fags.”
“What would you do if you had a son in the military?” an outraged Banderas asked. “Would you damn him to hell as well? Because you’re gonna join him there if you had a son!”
“I have eight sons and I have three daughters,” responded Phelps-Roper, “and none of them would dare, dare fight for a nation who has made God their No. 1 enemy.”
Banderas engaged in a heated, rapid-fire, name-calling exchange with Phelps-Roper, which included:
Banderas: “The Bible says ‘the fear of the Lord is hatred of evil,’ [from the Book of] Proverbs. ‘Pride and arrogance and the way of evil and perverted speech I hate.’ Perverted speech like yours: ‘God hates fags.’ You are preaching absolute B.-., and you know the final letter.”
Ms. Banderas is quoting Proverbs 8:13. Chapter 8 is usually titled “The Commendation of Wisdom”. Taken in context it reads something like this:
“12 I, wisdom, dwell with prudence,
And I find knowledge and discretion.
13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil;
Pride and arrogance and the evil way
And the perverted mouth, I hate.
14 Counsel is mine and sound wisdom;
I am understanding, power is mine.”
(New American Standard Bible)
Phelps-Roper: “If you don’t tell them that this nation is full of idolatry, full of adulteries …
Mrs. Phelps-Roper, you use the words “tell them”, when in fact you are actually condemning them. It is God’s place to do that, not yours. Wouldn’t your message be better recieved if you taught about the redemption of sin and the grace of Jesus Christ purchased by His blood for us at the cross?
Banderas: “Full of insane people like yourself, ma’am.”
I can’t really argue this point, as I wouldn’t want to be the one in front of God on judgement day trying to explain how I failed to teach salvation but sought to teach damnation instead. Yeah, that’s a pretty insane thing to do, Mrs. Phelps-Roper.
Phelps-Roper: “You’re proud. You’re proud of your sins. You can’t do enough sinning. You think ‘gay’ pride, bimbo. You have sinned away your day of grace.”
Actaully, that’s not true. Technically if Ms. Banderas believes that Jesus is the Son of God, who died on the cross for our sins, then her “day of grace” is still very much intact. Again, Mrs. Phelps-Roper, you are speaking for God…Not a good idea.
Banderas: “OK, you are an abomination.”
The word “abomination” is used eight times in the Bible (unless I missed one or two) and in over half of the cases it refers to the Anti-Christ as the “abomination” that will sit in the Temple in Jerusalem. Although the identity of the Anti-Christ has not yet been revealed, it’s highly improbable that Mrs. Phelps-Roper is actually the Anti-Christ, unless one uses definitions of anti-Christ used in First and Second John.
Phelps-Roper: “America is doomed. America is doomed. … Before your eyes, missy, you’re gonna see the destruction of America.”
The Bible tells us that “all have fallen short of the glory of God”, or in other words, we are all doomed. But then it goes on to say “But the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” There’s that message of damnation instead of salvation again.
Banderas: “If America is doomed, then why don’t you get out? Why are you in this country? Why are you an American? Are you an American?”
Phelps-Roper: “I am exactly where my God put me to tell you plainly, that you are going to hell, and there’s nothing you can do about it.”
Ummm…wrong again Mrs. Phelps-Roper. Have you actually ever read the Bible? There’s this thing that has been titled “The Roman Road”. Maybe you should read it. Here are the passages:
Romans 3:23, Romans 6:23, Romans 5:8, Romans 10:13 and Romans 10:9,10.
Banderas: “Why don’t you take your church to another country, then, ma’am? Thank you so much. You should not be proud to be an American, and thank you. Good-bye.”
Members of the Westboro Baptist Church hold signs and stand on the American flag at the funeral of Pfc. Caleb Lufkin June 2, 2006, in Galesburg, Ill. (courtesy: Westboro Baptist Church)
This afternoon, Fox News anchor Trace Gallagher told Banderas, “Most would say [Phelps-Roper] is a little on the wacky side.”
“Yeah, a little bit,” responded Banderas, “and she claims to be a Christian. Yah!”
Last week, a Pennsylvania man filed a lawsuit against WBC for its “intentional and outrageous” conduct during and since services were held for his son, Lance Cpl. Matthew A. Snyder, who killed in a noncombat vehicle accident in Iraq.
Albert Snyder “wants to deter this group of people from these disruptive and mean-spirited protests at the funerals of deceased members of the military,” Craig Trebilcock, an attorney representing Snyder, told the Baltimore Sun.
Phelps-Roper, who is licensed to practice law in Kansas and before the U.S. Supreme Court, told the paper her church would countersue “for conspiracy to violate civil rights and violation of civil rights.”
“If they think that coming after us is going to fix this, they are sadly mistaken,” she said. “We were seven people exercising protected rights of speech and religion.”
The WBC is planning another protest tomorrow in New Castle, Del., at the funeral of Army Staff Sgt. Darren Harmon, who was killed by an IED.